2012: Electric Bus Conference Munich

Grotesque differences in consumption between electric buses and hydrogen fuel cell buses. Nevertheless, a lot of research money continues to be sunk into hydrogen vehicles.






  eCarTec and Electric Bus Conference Munich October 2012


BYD reported on test drives throughout Europe with a 12 m electric bus. 90 to 140 kWh electricity consumption per 100 km.

2012: Electric Bus Conference Munich
Grotesque differences in consumption between electric buses and hydrogen fuel cell buses. Nevertheless, a lot of research money continues to be sunk into hydrogen vehicles.
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409 km test drives in Barcelona with 126.85 kWh/100 km.

2012: Electric Bus Conference Munich
Grotesque differences in consumption between electric buses and hydrogen fuel cell buses. Nevertheless, a lot of research money continues to be sunk into hydrogen vehicles.
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2697 km test drives in Budapest with 115.39 kWh/100 km

2012: Electric Bus Conference Munich
Grotesque differences in consumption between electric buses and hydrogen fuel cell buses. Nevertheless, a lot of research money continues to be sunk into hydrogen vehicles.
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End of August 2012 183 km Mountain test on the Gaisberg near Salzburg with 112.65 kWh / 100 km. The 840 m from Salzburg Gnigl up to the Gasibegspitze, the battery is at 87%. Down the 840 m again, the battery is charged to 92%. While a vehicle with a combustion engine only converts potential energy into thermal energy when driving downhill, here the battery has been charged by 16 kWh. On a smaller scale, this happens every time you brake at a stop, every time you brake at a red light.

2012: Electric Bus Conference Munich
Grotesque differences in consumption between electric buses and hydrogen fuel cell buses. Nevertheless, a lot of research money continues to be sunk into hydrogen vehicles.
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Mercedes claims that its latest fuel cell bus uses 10 to 14 kg of hydrogen per 100 km. The older model had a horrendous consumption of 20 to 24 kg.

1 kg of hydrogen contains 33 kWh of thermal energy. Electrolysis and compression into the high-pressure tanks require around 45 kWh of electricity for 1 kg of hydrogen. The fuel cell bus therefore requires 350% more electricity than the electric bus.

The high cost of producing hydrogen is also reflected in the price: EUR 9.50 per kg (April 2016 Hannover Industrial Fair). Converted by energy content, this corresponds to EUR 2.82 per liter of diesel. The 12 kg of hydrogen average consumption at this price is EUR 114. Diesel buses of this size consume 40 to 45 liters of diesel. The BYD electric bus 90 to 140 kWh of electricity.

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  Angela Merkel and the car industry


Let's take a look at the performance of the governments under Angela Merkel in a less emotional area than refugee policy: the automotive industry.

1992: The Rügen Experiment
From 1992 to 1996, research minister Heinz Riesenhuber and environment minister Angela Merkel demonstrated the unsuitability of electric cars on the island of Rügen.


2007: The Merkel failure begins
The first appeal to Merkel to prevent the German car industry from resting on its laurels and falling behind was made on January 31, 2007.


2008: Merkel in the oil price crisis
The oil price crisis should have led to important industrial policy decisions in the German car industry. Instead, pathetic whining for lower oil prices


2009: China announces drastic licensing regulations
The Chinese counterpart to Economics Minister Sigmar Gabriel: "Have you seen a single petrol scooter? They don't exist any more, they can no longer be registered, only electric scooters".


2010: Electric car with a range of 300 km
The sensation at the Geneva Motor Show: the first family-friendly electric car with a range of 300 km. With the BYD e6, electromobility is breaking out of narrow niche markets.


2011: The fraud formula for plug-in hybrid consumption measurement
Germany has been unable to reduce the EU's CO2 emission targets for the car industry. But the cheating formula for the whitewashing of plug-in hybrids is working.


2013: Study on the market launch of electric cars
The German car industry has even managed to corrupt the state-affiliated Fraunhofer research institute. An unscientific study on the market for electric cars shows this.


2014: Tesla announces 50 GWh battery factory
The size of the planned factory shows the intention to sell not only in the luxury class. With the production capacity, a broad attack on the upper mid-range is possible.


2015: VW Dieselgate
Large-scale fraud as industrial policy and the consequences if it is discovered. German politicians have systematically created an environment in which Volkswagen thought it could get away with it.


2016: China shock 8% quota rule for electric cars
Years of deep sleep in the German car industry, a few rolling declarations of abandonment to claim that they were building electric cars. But then the wake-up call from China.


2017: Merkel sees black for the German car industry
At a meeting with her colleagues from the EU according to information from SPIEGEL, the Chancellor touched on a sensitive topic: the foreseeable decline of a German flagship industry.


2017: EU wants fuel consumption measurement in cars from 2020
For the insider, it is a defense against large-scale fraud; for the uninformed citizen, it is the total surveillance state. Background information on the planned consumption measurement.


2018: Diesel driving ban
Germany does not have a government, but a reaction. Instead of active shaping, there is only reaction to disasters of all kinds.




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